Pyldrym / Dummer Genealogy

Robert Sewell    This page was set up by Robert Sewell in June 2006 to show the Pyldrym / Dummer Family since the earliest known times.  Robert Sewell graduated from McMaster University (Hamilton, Ontario, Canada) in 1967 with a B.Sc. degree in chemistry.  After a year of studies at the University of Toronto's College of Education, he taught high school science in Collingwood, Ontario for a year and then taught chemistry, physics and general science in Hamilton, Ontario for twenty-nine years.  Robert Sewell retired from teaching in June 1998.

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Source of InformationSewell V. Sample

    The information on this page came initially from the pedigree chart for the Pyldrym / Dummer Family in Professor Edward Elbridge Salisbury's Family Memorials, published privately in 1885.
     Many thanks to Sewell V. Sample (pictured to the right) who kindly shared Mr. Salisbury's chart.

Additional sources include:
{Judge} Samuel Sewall, Diary, 1674 - 1729
Prof. Edward Elbridge Salisbury, Family Memorials, published privately in 1885, pages 215 - 280
Michael Dummer: The Family of Dummer, published privately in June 2005
Mr. Don Beattie for much help and encouragement
Mr. Paul S. Monks, Letters, November & December 2004

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Early History and the Dummer Name

    The Dummer name originates with the Village of Dummer in northern Hampshire that takes its name from the Old English words "Dun" (hill) and "Mer" (lake or water). There is to-day a hill known as Dummer Hill, but there is no lake or pond. It has been suggested that perhaps the pond dried up long ago. The earliest people bearing the Dummer name used it in the form "de Dummer" (or Domer, Dumer, etc.) to mean "from Dummer". For example, Geoffrey de Dummer was "Geoffrey from Dummer" to distinguish himself from other Geoffreys. Try this link to MultiMap, or go to and search for Dummer in Great Britain.

    Strictly speaking, the Dummer name should have died out in the 14th century when the heiress Ellen de Dummer married Sir Nicholas Atte More; but their descendants adopted the Dummer name. The same situation appears to have arisen in the 16th century when Matilda Dummer married Richard Pyldren; but once again the descendants seem to have adopted the Dummer name.

Eleventh Century

    Mr. Paul Monks, who kindly shared the following details in November 2004, states the connections suggested cannot "be regarded as cast-iron certainties but they are considerably more likely than not . . .."

Odin de Windsores (fl. 1086) was Chamberlain to William the Conqueror. He is also referred to as Odo of Winchester and is said to have been a Saxon landowner who survived the Norman Conquest.
Hungar (fl. 1086) who is shown in the "History of the County of Hampshire" simply as "Hungar" but shown elsewhere as "Hungar FitzOdin", and is therefore perhaps the son of Odin de Windsores. Hungar may have simply been a tenant of Odin de Windsores from whom he held the manor of East Dummer.
Henry de Domera (living 1107 - 1128, shown under "Generation One" below) is thought to have been a son or perhaps a grandson of Hungar FitzOdin.  Evidence for this connection is:
  • Henry de Domera owned exactly the same houses in Winchester that were previously owned by Hungar with no known owners in between.
  • The names "Hungar" and "Dummer" or "Domera" sound something alike.
Regardless of his forebears, our genealogy begins with Henry de Domera, known to be living in the early 12th Century and who is shown again under "Generation One".

Generation One
Henry de Domera, living 1107 - 1128 had a son:

Generation Two
Ralph de Dummera
Living 1148
Died before 1205
Married to Agnes de la Penne, heiress of Penne, Somerset; which place was afterwards known as Penne-Domer, and still exists as Pendomer, situated about four miles southwest of Yeovil and four miles east of Crewkerne. Try this link to MultiMap, or go to and search for Pendomer in Great Britain.

Ralph and Agnes had the following children:

Generation ThreeDummer Arms
Henry de Dummer had the following children:

Generation Four
Sir William de Dummer, living 1213 - 1243
Sir William married Sibilla de Caune, a sister of Herbert de Caune, lord of the manor of Drayton, Hampshire.

Sibilla and Sir William had a son:

Generation Five
Sir John de Dummer, living 1268 - 1320
Sir John married a sister of Sir William Paynel, Baron Paynel, and they had the following children:

Generation Six
Thomas de Dommer succeeded to the family estate in Dummer, Hampshire.
Died in 1316
Thomas married Joan, and they had the following children:

Generation Seven
Thomas de Dummer was a minor in 1318, was living in 1349, and had a daughter:

Generation Eight
Ellen de Dummer, heiress of Thomas de Dummer
Ellen married first to Sir Nicholas Atte More, and they had a son: Ellen married secondly to William Farley, who was living in 1395.

Generation Nine
Thomas At More (Thomas Dummer)  had a son:

Generation Ten
Henry Dummer, living in 1428, married and had a son:

Generation Eleven
Robert Dummer of Dummer, Hampshire, Lord of the Manor and Patron of the Church of Dummer, Hampshire in 1450 and 1462.
Robert had two sons:

Generation Twelve
Henry Dummer of Dummer who died in 1516
Henry married first to a daughter of Thomas Starling, and they had a son: Henry of Dummer married second to Alice Franklin, and they had two children:
There is at this point, according to Mr. Salisbury, "a gap that cannot be bridged", but supposed
to have been filled by marriages of Dummer daughters with those who assumed the name.
The next to appear is John Dummer, Reeve of Overton, Hampshire, living 1471 - 1506.

Some genealogies bridge this gap by claiming that Richard, the son of William At More and Kinborough Brydges, did not die an infant; and is Richard Pyldren (or Dummer) who married Matilda Dummer in Generation Two below. 
However,  William At More was born on February 13, 1508/09 and John Pyldren married on October 5, 1541. Were the gap bridged in this fashion, there would be only 32 years between the birth of William At More 
and the marriage of his grandson John Pyldren to Joane Smith!  Clearly, this could not be so.

The private online genealogies making this claim do not mention these dates or their source(s) of information.

Please send information with regard to filling this gap, and / or other corrections to:
Robert Sewell

Generation One
John Dummer of Overton, Hampshire, living 1471 - 1506, Strong evidence suggests he had a daughter:

Generation Two
Matilda Dummer who appears very likely to have been to be the heiress of John Dummer.

    Matilda married Richard Pyldren of Owlsebury and Overton, Hampshire (died before 1540/41) and apparently also used the names Pyldrem, Domer and Dummer.

    Richard is referred to in various documents as "Richard Pyldren alias Domer" and "Richard Dummer alias Pyldren". Matilda (or Maude) is referred to as "Mawde Pillgryme" in other documents. Thus, it is not entirely certain who was "Dummer" and who was "Pyldren" in this relationship. This has apparently encouraged some overly enthusiastic family historians to claim that Richard Pyldren was the Richard Dummer in Generation Twelve above who died an infant. However, the preponderance of evidence would seem to indicate that Matilda Dummer, daughter of John Dummer of Overton, married Richard Pyldren of Owlsebury and Overton as shown here.

    Professor Salisbury wrote:  "At all events, this Richard Pyldren and Maude his wife are the earliest ancestors, of whom we can be absolutely certain, of the Dummers of New England, and of Bishopstoke and elsewhere in Hampshire."  (E.E. Salisbury, Family Memorials, Privately Printed, 1885, pages 216 & 217)

    Matilda and Richard had the following sons, both named John.  Although this seems strange to us to-day, two brothers with the same Christian name are of frequent occurrence for 300 years before this and perhaps 100 years after. It is unclear which John was the eldest:Pyldren Arms

Generation Three
John Pyldren (or Pyldryn) of Overton and Durley, Hampshire.
Died in December 1574
John married Alice, who survived him, but about whom little else is known. She may be "Alice Dummer, widow" who was buried at Durley on December 15, 1603, but this is uncertain.

John and Alice had the following children:

Generation Four
Thomas Pyldrym (or Dommer)of Bishopstoke, Hampshire.
Living on September 24, 1625
Died before March 11, 1625/26
Thomas married Joane, and they had the following sons:

Generation Five

Stephen Pyldrym or Dummer of Bishopstoke, Hampshire who emigrated to New England probably before 1638, returned to England in 1646/47 and died in 1670Pyldren-Dummer Arms
Stephen married Alice Archer, and they had the following children:

Generation Six
Jane Dummer
Born at Bishopstoke, Hampshire in 1628
Died at Newbury, Massachusetts on January 13, 1701, Ęt 72.

Jane married to {Rev} Henry Sewall (III) at Newbury, Massachusetts on March 25, 1646.

For the continuation of this line, please click on {Rev} Henry Sewall.

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